Pathfinder members’ Q&A session September 2021

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• Watch the Q&A session
• Zoom Chat

It was so great to see so many members on Thursday at our second Q&A session. We hope everyone enjoyed the meeting.

There was so much to discuss that we weren’t able to answer all of the questions so we’ll be answering the questions we couldn’t get to here in the next few days.

For those of you who were able to attend in person welcome back. For everyone else please join us to watch the recording of the session and read the chat at your leisure over a cup of something soothing.

Watch the Q&A session

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Zoom Chat

14:01:29 From Celia to Everyone:
Has anybody had any success with the PROMIC forms? Particularly getting a medical professional to sign that form?

14:04:16 From Jennifer to Everyone:
So lovely to connect across the world with like-minded people from Locked-down Sydney.

14:04:29 From Melissa Smith to Everyone:
Great you could join us Jennifer

14:06:05 From carmen cimmino to Everyone:
We have all had Covid, six of us in my household back in January. We haven’t been vaccinated and two of our girls are going to Uni, first year and third year. The fact that they have had Covid should protect them more right? Hopefully they will hold off as much as they can from the vaccine

14:06:30 From Meleni Aldridge to Everyone:
It’s so late for you Jennifer, lovely to have you join us. I hope that you can feel our community stretching around the world. We are very much not alone 🙂

14:07:59 From Lucie MInne to Everyone:
Any feedback from people using the Covid control group card?

14:08:42 From Jennifer to Everyone:
This is what I have been looking forward to all day! So nice to be able to connect with so many soul-mates in this crazy world!

14:09:10 From Rosalind Kelbrick to Everyone:
How can you get ivermectin if GP won’t prescribe/

14:10:11 From Amina D to Everyone:
Where can anyone buy Ivermectin for humans?

14:10:21 From felixhughes to Everyone:
Would Isoquercitin be preferable to Quercitin or in combination with?

14:10:51 From Moira to Everyone:
The Lancet paper you are talking about clearly states that it is the unvaccinated spreading the virus. Is that true? It looks like higher death rates still in the unvaccinated population but how do we know the people dying are not at high risk such as palliative care situations? I wonder how we know how effective the virus is when we are testing it in the summer here?

14:11:02 From annonthemove247@yahoo.co.uk to Everyone:
re invermectin is it a good idea to wait till get initial covid signs before taking IVM so body generates anti-bodies first? Anyone got a good source for IVM in Europe or India?

14:11:21 From hilary to Everyone:
I’m getting some from Dr Eccles ‘The Natural Doctor’ but had to wait several months for an appointment.

14:12:14 From Ally Jones to Everyone:
Im just abut to use a form for a concert tomorrow…

14:12:35 From annonthemove247@yahoo.co.uk to Everyone:
yes thanks I have app booked with Eccles but its a long way out even with the new Dr. working as well.

14:12:37 From Rob Verkerk to Everyone:
Yes Moira – I aw that too in the Lancet paper. There are plenty of data to contradict that point and it was unreferenced. There are data to show there are more unvvax being hospitalised in the UK, but fewer are dying than full vaxxed.

14:12:47 From Michelle Felix to Everyone:
filled the forms out but not sure what to do with them or how / when to use them? Dr won’t sign off

14:13:10 From Erica to Everyone:
Great to be here, thank you. A friend from US could get ivermectin for me. What dose as a prophylactic

14:13:10 From Ally Jones to Everyone:
And have given one to my son at uni in Edinburgh/Scotland to exempt him from the vaccine…

14:13:55 From Celia to Everyone:
My GP won’t sign. Wants me to get the jab even though have autoimmune…

14:14:03 From Janie Perry to Everyone:
Thank you so much ANH for sharing the forms. Like Ally trying to save my daughter at St Andrews from vaccination.

14:14:35 From Celia to Everyone:
Yes, I completed the self-declared one.

14:14:45 From Peter Wilhelmsson to Everyone:
What about the support of mucosal membranes as a key barrier for lingering infections–for instance nasal irrigation of dilute iodine, herbals, etc and use as mouth washes and gargling. How important in crowded areas or if vulnerable or beginning of infections–should we then for first Days do the nasal irrigation and mouth washes/gargling`? There are studies in Germany and recommendations in different countries. Peter Wilhelmsson

14:14:59 From Michelle Felix to Everyone:
where do you list the self declared exemption?

14:16:04 From Jane Barrett to Everyone:
My son is 18 next month still in education in upper sixth, I have given him the Promic form to keep in his bag. I have also registered my name on the lawyers for Liberty register who have sent an anonymous letter to the school. Anything else I should do? Although he is against having the vax, I still worry about peer pressure

14:19:12 From Wiefel to Everyone:
Dear Rob and Team, do you know About L-Lysine, an essential aminoacid for the Treatment of the Coronavirus?Here is a good link concerning Research: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/344210822_Lysine_Therapy_for_SARS-CoV-2

14:19:14 From Jennifer to Everyone:
I think the Australian Govt is now restricting Ivermectin for off-label use. I just asked my “special GP” this week!

14:19:53 From Sally to Everyone:
Hurrah, thank you.

14:20:14 From Meleni Aldridge to Everyone:
Yes, Jennifer, it’s very tricky in Australia, we’re aware of that. Hopefully you’ll be able to buy direct and have it shipped in for personal use.

14:20:16 From Rosalind Kelbrick to Everyone:
What is covid control group?

14:20:16 From Jennifer to Everyone:
But what about the underlying Artemesia Herbs that Ivermectin was based on?

14:20:48 From Linda Razvi to Everyone:
Is there a concern in taking ivermectin independent from medical advise if the need arises

14:20:58 From Linda to Everyone:
Natural Immunity: Can you tell us about research in relation to T-cell CD4/8 helper and cytotoxic T lymphocytes.

14:23:54 From Caroline Sherwood to Everyone:
Survey? Where?

14:24:18 From Maeve to Everyone:
Can any health professional sign promic form if not doctor?

14:24:18 From Rosalind Kelbrick to Everyone:
Thank you Mel and Rob

14:24:41 From René & Lesley V to Everyone:
Sorry to be late joining! Regarding The Vaccine Control Group, 1) what’s the URL 2) is this open to non UK residents 3) is the data secure ie are we going to end up on a list that is accessible by other player? Thanks for all you do

14:25:11 From Melissa Smith to Everyone:
Here’s the link for the Control Group – https://vaxcontrolgroup.com/

14:25:57 From Christine Farrell to Everyone:
I’m seeing a lot of comments about vaccinated people being a health threat to unvaccinated. Is there any truth in that, and in what way? (and is ‘shedding’ something to worry about / do anything about?)

14:26:38 From Meleni Aldridge to Everyone:
The Control Group Cooperative is open internationally. It just happens to be based here in the UK. As far as we’re aware the data is fully anonymised and very safe.

14:27:30 From Marisca Ribeiro to Everyone:
Thank you for that question Christine, I do wonder if that is true or just divisive misinformation.

14:27:53 From carmen cimmino to Everyone:
It is very safe, I am part of the vax control group, it’s founded by concerned citizens and it has come leaps and bounds from the beginning.

14:27:57 From Celia to Everyone:
I am studying common law at the moment and its scope. Very little of this was taught to me when I studied law.

14:28:48 From Arlene to Everyone:
The NHS is planning to make this vacc mandatory for all staff where do they stand?

14:29:19 From Jennifer to Everyone:
If the PCR tests only detect fragments of the virus and amplifies it, could the PCR test, detecting the spike protein in the (so-called vaccines) mistake that as covid infection!

14:29:31 From Meleni Aldridge to Everyone:
Caroline, the survey Rob was talking about is the one from the Control Group Cooperative.

14:30:58 From Clare Jeffries to Everyone:
Do we know if any of the schools who’ve been served notice of liability are likely to refuse to be a vaccine centre?

14:32:38 From iPhone Xr to Everyone:
Would like to know more about T cell test availability in uk. I had the virus over a year ago. That’s seen as irrelevant which we all know is untrue. Feel I shouldn’t even need that. Think I’d rather take a tattooed number on my arm which as I’m in Scotland, may not be far away. Irene MacIntyre

14:33:23 From Erica to Everyone:
I know of a young academic who took Astra Zeneca vaccine at work at a Russell Group university. He nearly died, was in Hosp. for Neurological diseases, quadriplegic. To Northwick Park for rehab. Now ca 6 months on he is home in wheelchair, cannot type or stand

14:34:08 From Moira to Everyone:
Are you all aware of the UK Consultation on Mandatory Vaccination in health and social care (wider than just NHS). https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/making-vaccination-a-condition-of-deployment-in-the-health-and-wider-social-care-sector

14:34:27 From Erica to Everyone:
sent too soon. Seems that there are huge consequences for informed consent and duty of care

14:36:04 From Melissa Smith to Everyone:
The Dept of Health & Social Care published details of medical exemptions for care workers yesterday. Initially through a form for 12 weeks, then will be integrated into the NHS Covid Pass – https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/temporary-medical-exemptions-for-covid-19-vaccination-of-people-working-or-deployed-in-care-homes

14:37:41 From René & Lesley V to Everyone:
Do you know if in the UK they are counting as un jabbed, the jabbed who are not over 14 days from last dose? Is this what is inflating the hospitalised numbers?

14:38:29 From Ally Jones to Everyone:
Re Lysine – has anyone seen an increase in variants of the Herpes virus, after Covid and Vaccination?

14:38:35 From carmen cimmino to Everyone:
My daughters have had Covid in January and have been in contact with Delta and haven’t caught it, however their friends who have been vaccinated even the ones who had Covid previously have ended up catching Delta, is that because the vaccines weakens somehow the immune system?

14:39:17 From Jennifer to Everyone:
The Spike protein is really just another form of the virus!?

14:39:33 From Linda Razvi to Everyone:
What do spike protein do the body compared to v

14:42:32 From Peter Wilhelmsson to Everyone:
Will many nations feel pressure to back off from vaccine passports and discrimination if the current Denmark experiment of opening up the country without restrictions and proof of vaccination or neg. antibody test if cases do not burden overburden the Health care system. Denmark is claiming that >70% double vaccination giving the nation herd immunity.

14:43:22 From Melissa Smith to Everyone:
The PHE are reporting three categories in relation to vaccinated population plus vaccinated. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1014926/Technical_Briefing_22_21_09_02.pdf

14:46:55 From Linda Razvi to Everyone:
So does that mean then that without the vaccine if we have had covid, we can still end up coninutally manufacturing spike protein in our body

14:47:09 From iPhone Xr to Everyone:
Does a hepa filter capture the spike protein?
Thank you all for your phenomenal work

14:49:32 From Jennifer to Everyone:
Such a scary world we seem to be facing if we let big pharma and global corporates win! Thank God for groups like this, and pray to God/Nature that s/he is listening!!!

14:49:57 From Diana Borovic-Allen to Everyone:
Any Vaccination support suggestions? I worry about the C’d vaccine rollout in schools and children getting vaccinated under pressure.

14:49:58 From Meleni Aldridge to Everyone:
To raise your hand, click on the Reactions tab at the bottom of the screen and the hand is in there.

14:51:45 From Bernard Weafel to Everyone:
What about the ARtemiC-phase III study with artemisia annua – any data allready or still collecting patients?

14:52:35 From Jennifer to Everyone:
Is there any word on whether there is any way of “detoxing” the vaccines. I have family members who were hesitant, now regretting their decision and suffering adverse reactions!

14:52:48 From annonthemove247@yahoo.co.uk to Everyone:
What is the specific name of antibody tests?

14:52:54 From Ally Jones to Everyone:
Anecdotally I got tested and had antibodies 15 months after having Covid – however I don’t know how long they will show….

14:53:29 From Janie Perry to Everyone:
Where would you recommend we get the triple antibody test from?

14:53:32 From Alison Ledgerwood to Everyone:
Could you please state clearly (for the scientifically challenged) exactly what antibody test we need to have? I have just had Covid, despite having reluctantly had both vaccines.

14:54:27 From Melissa Smith to Everyone:
You can watch the Mercola interview with Dr Seneff and Judy Mikovits on Bitchute – https://www.bitchute.com/video/cfoUisOcDLpB/

14:55:44 From Melissa Smith to Everyone:
Two labs are offering antibody test that look at all three elements IgG, IgM and IgA.

14:56:08 From Melissa Smith to Everyone:
Biosure – https://www.biosure.co.uk/tests/covid-19-tests/

14:56:31 From Melissa Smith to Everyone:
Attomarker – https://www.attomarker.com/antibody-test-booking

14:57:43 From Alison Ledgerwood to Everyone:
Thanks

15:01:13 From annonthemove247@yahoo.co.uk to Everyone:
A friend had the Pfizer vaccine now has a d-dimer level of over 2000 (not sure but think it should be around 200) meaning it seems that she has microscopic blood clots but Dr doesn’t know where the clots are. So far she seems OK

15:01:14 From Linda Razvi to Everyone:
May I ask for clarification on the spike protein shedding- is it the case then that any vaccinated person can pass non the patented manufactured poise protein to a non vaccinated person and then that person does the same so we can all become manufactures of the patented protein?

15:03:37 From Susanna to Everyone:
How about a members’ forum?

15:04:19 From Janie Larus-McShane to Everyone:
Hearty thanks to Meleni and Rob and Melissa and the whole ANH-international team for sharing your wealth of knowledge in these exceptionally worrying times.

15:05:02 From Caroline Sherwood to Everyone:
Here, here, Janie. Thank you, ANH, for another brilliantly informative gathering. All power to your meticulous and compassionate work.

15:05:43 From Meleni Aldridge to Everyone:
I know some of you have to go. The recording will be up soon in the Member’s area. Thanks Susanna for the idea of a member’s forum. Definitely worth looking at. We’ll have a discussion internally. For privacy and security issues, it would be best to house it on our side. Definitely worth a conversation though.

15:06:02 From Hilary M to Everyone:
My 39 year old daughter in California has had a CVA following the second dose of vaccine and now has cardiac problems as well. The hospital bill so far is 168K dollars!

15:06:18 From Jennifer to Everyone:
Personally, just as I don’t want to get either a cold or the flu – it’s just horrible! I’d rather face the covid virus (with the immune system I’ve tried to build) – than risk the potential long term effects of these pseudo-vaccines!

15:07:36 From Clare Jeffries to Everyone:
Got to run for school run. Thanks as always for your amazing work.

15:07:54 From Rowena Fairbairn to Everyone:
REALLY appreciate all this information sharing and the support of fellow attendees. Thank you ANH. Thanks for all the camaraderie too – soul boosting.

15:08:00 From Peter Wilhelmsson to Everyone:
From what I have read, about 70% of those reacting to the shots have elevated D dimer levels showing microvascular damage and potential viscosity problems that are happening in small capilliaries but do not show elevated clotting in the big vessels or platelet reactions? Is this correct?

15:08:14 From Susanna to Everyone:
You guys truly rock. Thank you SO much for your work

15:08:14 From Ally Jones to Everyone:
Yes a huge thank you for the imperative work you are all doing.

15:08:37 From Linda Razvi to Everyone:
Thank you so much for you work and commitment to humanity, our health and well being and the integrity you display on every aspect of your work in imparting knowledge to all. I have to go to an appt so look forwadr to the recording

15:09:00 From Versha Carter to Everyone:
Lovely to see your pa

15:09:26 From Eric Marshall to Everyone:
Thank you, very helpful

15:09:45 From Hilary M to Everyone:
Thank you so much

15:09:50 From Linda Razvi to Everyone:
Will you please send a copy of that

15:09:51 From Celia to Everyone:
Thank you so much as always. Really helpful information.

15:09:54 From Emma Jamieson to Everyone:
Thank you so much, got to run

15:09:54 From René & Lesley V to Everyone:
Many thanks! We’re in France living with the same exclusions as the Jews in 1942. And holding the line. Your support helps greatly

15:09:56 From Izabela to Everyone:
Thank you very much for your work and for sharing your knowledge