Pathfinder Members’ Briefing and Q&A – October 2022

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Thank you to everyone who was able to join us live for this month’s Members’ Briefing and Q&A. It was wonderful to see everyone and share time with you. Rob kicked the meeting off by sharing an extremely upbeat and positive update on his health and recovery from his inner ear injury.

It was refreshing to be less covid focused this time, although it was one of the topics of conversation. Of particular interest was the news that Rob will be discussing the thorny subject of whether viruses exist or not with Drs Sam Bailey and others in the coming weeks.

Given October is Menopause Awareness Month we discussed the way menopause is increasingly being treated as a disease state and the messaging that’s scaring young women into treatment pathways they may not choose if natural methods were offered and easily accessible. Meleni was particularly animated in her views this month about menopause as a natural transition and time when a woman fully steps into her power. We also considered climate change and how this is being manipulated.

We hope you enjoy this month’s conversation. As you’ll see from the chat below it was extremely thought-provoking and engendered a lot of interest.

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00:20:06 Ann Charles: Hi all
00:20:45 Melissa Smith: Hi Ann, great you could join us.
00:20:48 Cori: So good to be with you !
00:20:55 Michelle Felix: So pleased to hear that Rob! I’m on my phone as just getting back from dog walk so won’t be on video
00:21:57 morag: Great to hear you are feeling much better Rob
00:22:05 Ann Charles: Rob was your healing with the peptides? And where can we get some and the protocols? Especially for COPD and brain health
00:23:20 Cori: Q maybe for later : Dr. James Thorp mentioned in the FLCCC Weibnar of Oct. 5th,
that he is applying VitD3 and K2 on the skin, as the absorption is fast (and the gut is circumvented) and VitD3 is turned in the skin into the active compound. 
Are you aware of that ?
Peter Cory, aswell in the Webinar was happy to hear that.
00:23:39 Nicola Graves-Gregory: Thank you for a great coference.
00:24:00 Nicola Graves-Gregory: Q Can we set up local groups?
00:24:10 Cori: Q as well for later: and another question regarding prophylaxis, when being with many people for a week or so.
 how much HCQ makes sense?
I also read for prophylaxis: 200 mg once a week. Is there a time to build up a serum level to be taken into account?
I took 200mg daily for 10 days…. 
but if 200 mg or 400 mg once per week is sufficient, I would prefer that…
00:24:43 Ann Charles: Wish I could have been at the conference.
00:25:06 Cori: Me too ….. would have loved to be there
00:25:10 Suzanna: Yes I was sorry to miss it too!
00:25:41 Niki Cassar: Love the idea of doing a course!
00:31:02 Caroline Sherwood: I’d love to see Zach Bush involved in that conversation.
00:31:07 Ann Charles: I’m really REALLY looking forward to that interview with you and the no virus team. I think that many misunderstand what terrain medicine is really about. Its not quite as straightforward as most believe. So I congratulate you Rob for starting this discussion
00:32:41 Cori: There is fascinating talk in german about the world of viruses….. as we do have a viriom, like the microbes on the skin, on the mucosa, the gut …. that’s microbiom….. and viruses are part of us
should be something in english, too…. 
but for those interested: Die Bedeutung der Viren für Mensch und Natur – Vortrag von Thomas Hardtmuth. around October 2020. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO1xgjeiAn0
00:33:11 Melissa Smith: That’s great Cori, thanks for sharing.
00:33:44 Ann Charles: Well sitting in the hot chair we have 2 horrible alternative – Sir Keir, Trilateral Commission and Hunt, tied to China! Not that I understand it all but I try……
00:34:29 Julie: Do you every listen to Pam Gregory the astrologer, she has been talking about this financial/political collapse at this point in time for years!
00:34:38 Suzanna: It seems that new gain of function research has developed a virus where 80% of mice died – any thoughts on this?
00:37:17 Jennifer: I don’t think any of them have had covid – just the jabs!
00:37:33 Marianne Rist: Is this iron drop part of the post covid fatigue? Any point in supplementing after covid?
00:41:27 Jennifer: That’s what most of the people I know in Australia got also – double Astra-Zeneca then Pfizer Boosters.
00:42:17 Cori: What a next horrible step in Europe: The EMA allows the shots for the kids from 6 Months on. This has hit me yesterday so deep…. What monsters to the present and future of humanity ….
00:43:31 Susi Kaiser: So these large clots are really happening, I saw pictures and thought they were not real- that is shocking!
00:43:36 Melissa Smith: This might be of interest in regard to the question about iron. https://bioiron.org/news/iron-stories/normal-iron-hemoglobin-levels-covid19-vaccination.aspx
00:45:31 Caroline Sherwood: Dr Ryan Cole’s presentation follows that of Dr Aseem Malhotra here: https://worldcouncilforhealth.org/multimedia/aseem-malhotra-press-conference/
00:47:51 Melissa Smith: https://www.anhinternational.org/campaigns/test-take-vitamin-d/
00:50:11 Rob Verkerk: https://www.grassrootshealth.net/
00:56:27 Suzanna: Is Vandana Shiva looking at restabilising soils?
00:56:47 Jennifer: There’s a great Netflix Documentary called “Kiss the Ground”.
00:56:47 Cori: @Suzanne: oh yes
00:56:58 Nicola Graves-Gregory: Vandana Shiva has written a lot e.g. “oneness v the 1%” x
00:57:10 Suzanna: She seems amazing!
00:57:42 Nicola Graves-Gregory: She’s a force of nature – and for nature!!!
00:58:58 Rob Verkerk: Totally! vVandana’s work is amazing – I ahd the opportunity of meeting her and speaking on a the same platform in Delhi with her a few years ago. Seed saving and soil restoration are key to regenerate soils!
00:59:07 Caroline Sherwood: Pam Gregory on upcoming Solar Eclipse on 25 October: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR6rFs_2bfg
00:59:24 Melissa Smith: Thanks Caroline.
00:59:48 Dian Shepperson: Carl Sagan
“We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology.”
01:00:16 Rob Verkerk: Spot on Dian – and Carl!
01:00:49 Suzanna: “The Real Anthony Fauci” movie if anyone hasn’t heard of it is a crucial movie to share.
01:01:02 Jacky: what about GM, it is being rebranded and coming in with the genetic technology bill
01:01:08 Jacky: https://www.gmfreeze.org/publications/october-2022-issue-63/
01:01:17 Rob Verkerk: And it’s free to view for a few days!
01:01:31 Melissa Smith: The Fauci movie is free to watch until the 28th Oct – http://www.TRAFmovie.com
01:01:34 Jacky: amazing film https://www.therealanthonyfaucimovie.com/trailer/confirmed/
01:02:36 Cori: CHD Oct 17th : https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/crispr-technology-gene-editing-world-hunger/
01:02:42 Caroline Sherwood: Thanks for movie link. Only knew about the book!
01:02:56 Melissa Smith: @Jacky there is pushback against the efforts to deregulate the ‘new’ genetic technologies. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bTXTWZwwDHfReRaiA4Kt25Jfrqab4iNyAlLAsEGTPR4/edit
01:03:11 Domini Gordon: Yet CDC just added the Covid mRNA vaccines to the childhood vaccine schedule. Remains to be seen if individual states mandate it for school or sport club attendance
01:03:30 Suzanna: The fact that its now a film hopefully means it will go viral ! Haha
01:05:11 Suzanna: FOI request by hartgroup.org for safety data on the Astrazeneca has been made!
01:06:00 Jacky: i hope so, that’s good news Melissa. It seems they’re trying to sneak it in by saying ‘if the genetic changes could have occurred naturally’ but it’s going to be self regulating apparently
01:06:13 Jennifer: More so than Science and Technology – it is Nature and “People” that we don’t really understand – but we (some) arrogantly charge forward as if they know it all!!!
01:06:35 Melissa Smith: Exactly that Jennifer. Lots of pushback going on as well.
01:07:58 felixhughes: Does anyone have a link for the video?
01:08:50 Suzanna: What do you think of Chlorine dioxide as prophylaxis?
01:09:28 Melissa Smith: @felixhughes https://www.therealanthonyfaucimovie.com/trailer
01:10:38 Cori: Thank you Rob for the dosing update. I think only, when a high load could be around… Corinne
01:11:09 Jennifer: I saw a video online for making HCQ (they banned it here in Aus- unless you already had it before covid) – so I’m wondering if those recipes (made from grapefruit) are accurate?
01:11:33 Cori: How to take Nigella sativa as seeds?
01:11:37 Melissa Smith: https://c19early.com/
01:11:52 Suzanna: Nigella sativa better than artemisia annua?
01:13:31 Meleni Aldridge: In response to Susanna Eastwood, in terms of jab free blood banks, please take a look at this initiative: https://my-medical-choice.org/faq
01:13:33 Dian Shepperson: Hong Kong & Cuna give everyone a free pack of lotus blossom seed capsules for when they first develop COVID 19
01:13:42 Dian Shepperson: China
01:14:12 Susan Castle: iman black seed oil. Study shwoing the recovery of athleets after activity is phenomenal
01:14:48 Suzanna: Thanks for addressing my questions!
01:15:07 Rob Verkerk: Re Suzanna’s Q on Nigella vs Artemisia – I’m not aware of a direct apples vs apples comparison – but both have shown v good efficacy – including for treatment.
01:15:29 Nicola Graves-Gregory: Basic question – what does immune escape mean?
01:15:37 Suzanna: Thanks
01:15:40 Rob Verkerk: One of the reasons these natural products work so well is they have multiple targets of activity – not the case for most pharma products
01:17:11 Rob Verkerk: Immune escape means that that neutralising antibodies in the immune system doesn’t bind fully with the pathogen (spike protein in the case of SARS-CoV-2) and so ‘escape’ the immune system and can carry on replicating in the body and be subsequently transmitted to others
01:17:27 Lois: I have been having my covid antibodies tested every 3 months since having covid in Nov 21 and they continue to rise now 1360 but York test have suddenly stopped doing this test! Not clear why? I have tried to find a Tspot test but have only found one for TB? Can you say where there are labs doing Tspot tests please?
01:17:36 Dian Shepperson: Everyone over 70 is automatically given DNRs
01:18:43 Dian Shepperson: Drs. Labs test interferon levels
01:18:54 Meleni Aldridge: Thank you Dian – as horrendous as that is, knowledge is power and I suppose you can overturn it if you know about it?
01:19:06 Nicola Graves-Gregory: Thank you, Rob
01:20:24 Rob Verkerk: https://health-study.joinzoe.com/intermittent-fasting
01:20:39 Suzanna E: Thank you!
01:21:12 Cori: Can you repeat that or write it down here?
01:21:30 Suzanna E: BHRT
01:21:34 Rob Verkerk: Bioidentical Hormone Replacement Therapy – BHRT
01:22:00 Cori: Thank you …..
01:22:40 Jacky: second spring
01:22:51 Suzanna E: Might beintereting – explains BHRT
01:24:06 Bobby Teague: Christine Northrop has written excellent book on menapause
01:24:11 Rob Verkerk: We’ve worked closely with Dr Jonathan Wright over the years and he was one of the key pioneers of this approach: https://www.hormoneclinic.com.au/bio-identical-hormone-article-dr-jonathan-wright/
01:24:13 Cori: I doubt that this is meant by Nature !!!!
01:25:13 Caroline Sherwood: Is there a difference between BHRT and the old style HRT? The medics tried to force me onto the latter. I managed my entire menopause with the expert help of a medical herbalist. It was almost effortless…
01:25:17 Rob Verkerk: Here is a podcast that might also be of interest; https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/dr-jonathan-wright-discusses-bioidentical-hormone-replacement/id324615543?i=1000452541743
01:25:43 Dian Shepperson: My grandmother went through menopause at 31, she lived until 101 in her own bungalow. No HRT just good food
01:25:54 Teresa Allen: A friend is suffering from terrible hotness all night ( has had 3) booked an appointment to see her GP- after 6 weeks waiting was seen by the nurse. She was told she could not have HRT as she was overweight – size 14. So was offered Blood pressure tabs instead despite having normal blood pressure readings. !
01:26:54 Rob Verkerk: That is a shocking but all too common oversight, Teresa
01:27:00 Suzanna E: Where in the UK can you find BHRT?
01:27:15 Bridget harper: This is really interesting for me as I am 11 years post menopausal and having a very difficult time but WILL NOT go down synthetic route due to chemical intolerances and menopause isn’t an illness!!!
01:28:01 Teresa Allen: Mine was from 43 till 58.
01:28:07 Para Florescu: https://thenaturaldoctor.org/about/about-dr-nyjon-eccles/ i think Dr Eccles prescribes it in UK @suzanna .. i think.. i attended his talk at the ANP summit!
01:28:28 Rob Verkerk: The regulators have tried to take natural, herbal solutions to menopause like black cohosh off the market based on them arguing that the symptoms of menopause are a medical condition. We ahve been battling this situation with various regulators to save products for many yeas!
01:29:06 Jennifer: I needed no specific interventions at all – natural or pharma – and had no issues whatsoever – just a gentle 12 month (?) transition… but then I had relied on my Naturopath for all my primary health care for more than 30 years prior!
01:29:44 Rob Verkerk: Yes Para – Dr Nyjon Eccles is absolutely prescribing BHRT in the UK.
01:29:47 Suzanna E: Thanks Mel! It does answer my questions. I was wondering abot how BHRT fits in with the peptide therapy..?
01:29:47 susan salmon: Also the Marion Gluck Clinic in Wimpole Street London
01:29:56 Teresa Allen: Found Ladycare magnet ( worn in you knickers) helpful
01:30:02 helen: I found adding flaxseed to my diet very beneficial
01:30:17 Caroline Sherwood: This was the medical herbalist who steered me (brilliantly) through menopause – Ned Reiter – http://www.greenmedicine.co.uk/
01:30:45 Alison Ledgerwood: That is appalling. I used to take Armour years ago and was so much better on it than Thyroxine
01:30:57 Cori: Mel could I contact you? Does it work with Hashimoto?
01:31:34 Rob Verkerk: Yes – we believe peptide therapy with the ovary bioregulator has helped many women: https://naturesmarvels.com/products/
01:31:37 Alison Ledgerwood: I used to import it direct from the USA but that no longer became possible. No way of getting it now except for hugely expensive private prescriptions
01:31:40 Caroline Sherwood: Rob, yes it was a tragedy when Potters took Black Cohosh out of their superlative cough remedy.
01:32:03 Rob Verkerk: Correct Caroline – no thanks to the MHRA
01:32:19 Gwendoline Coates: Agreed. Life has been great!
01:32:23 Cori: I can only join Mel – it’s a feeling of being free…..
01:32:36 Jane Roberts: Sixties are even better!
01:32:47 Melissa Smith: Totally agree. I went through completely naturally.
01:33:58 Meleni Aldridge: Yes, of course Cori – and yes it does work with Hashimoto’s. It what it should be used for!
01:34:10 Jacky: so glad you’re discussing this, the media campaign around hrt is so frustrating as natural options are downplayed.
01:34:51 Cori: Great … (it’s for my dear sister)
01:34:51 Meleni Aldridge: Thanks for the reminder of the Ladycare magnet – it really is incredibly useful.
01:35:31 Melissa Smith: More information about peptides – https://www.anhinternational.org/news/miracle-molecules-that-reverse-biological-age/
01:36:28 Tony Coope: Bioidentical progesterone is available from Wellsprings Health, and also from biovea.com. Also DHEA and oestriol. e-mail me if you want info -tonycoope@hotmail.com
01:36:39 Susi Kaiser: Rob how quickly did you get those results?
01:37:04 Melissa Smith: https://www.anhinternational.org/news/alzheimer-s-disease-cheap-nutrients-outperform-latest-drug/
01:37:20 Suzanna E: Thanks @Tony
01:37:21 Meleni Aldridge: For anyone in the UK, Dr Nyjon Eccles, The Natural Doctor and Dr Marion Gluck’s clinics are two of the main ones. I’ve just met a doctor at the peptide conference who has a clinic locally near us in Guildford, but I can’t remember more than his first name! Will do a search and see what I can find, but his clinic does it too. There are others for sure.
01:37:26 Melissa Smith: Cognitive Test – https://foodforthebrain.org/the-cognitive-function-test/
01:38:13 Meleni Aldridge: Thanks Tony – are you running the blood tests too to develop the individualised programmes?
01:39:19 Suzanna E: I thought that saliva tests were best?
01:39:37 Nicola Graves-Gregory: As a bit of a chocaholic, (I’m working on it) I reckon it’s thanks to flax oil that I’ve not been assessed as diabetic in blood tests.
01:39:40 Dian Shepperson: Some elderly people have been seen to have Increased length telomeres if they are happy and content and well cared for
01:41:13 Tony Coope: Melini: I find saliva tests much more representative of the overall situation, blood tests are often just a snapshot on a rollercoaster!-Tony
01:41:17 Bridget harper: totally agree , totally liberating. very easy menopause , managed naturally but not great currently.
01:41:19 Ann Charles: Rob, what about Methylene Blue for A. Disease – very interesting report from a prominent researcher Dr Fransico Gomalez-Lima to reduce and get rid of brain fog etc
01:43:31 Suzanna E: Herb for hot flushes? And differences between Dong quai and Chasteberry?
01:44:15 Dian Shepperson: Vitamin E and Chromium helps – check your levels
01:45:10 Rob Verkerk: Yes Anne – the methylene blue AD relationship has been long studied – but I do think the Food for the Brain cognitive test plus homocysteine test – then high dose B vits and Omega3 is now the most effective solution we know of
01:45:16 Susi Kaiser: @suzanne , very simplistic answer but – Donq quai is more oestrogen like and AGnus castus works on the HPA axis so more regulatory and has more progesterone like effect too
01:45:43 Suzanna E: Thanks @Susi
01:46:15 Rob Verkerk: Correct Susi – along with black cohosh they have very good clinical evidence base!
01:47:43 Melissa Smith: Link to join ANH Members’ forum https://alliance-for-natural-health-intl.mn.co/
01:47:56 Susi Kaiser: Does anyone know where to get methylene blue I cant seem to source it at the moment.
01:48:35 Susan Castle: Only Results count has some methylene blue
01:48:35 Suzanna E: How can I save the chat?
01:50:12 Cori: @Suzanne : yes , I’d like to save it, too. As even a link can’t be copied….
01:50:49 Michelle Felix: I think the chat gets included in the recording – hope so as I also would like it
01:51:06 Marianne Rist: Will it be with the recording, when ANH put it on the Members place?
01:51:07 Melissa Smith: We’ll post the chat on the website in the Members’ Portal when we share the recording.
01:51:45 Dian Shepperson: Thank you for all your wise input💫
01:52:01 Rob Verkerk: https://dutchtest.com/
01:52:10 Cori: Thank you so much Melissa. As thanks to all of you wonderful !!! 💕🙏💕
01:52:21 Gwyneth Ashcroft: Thank you for all this wonderful info. xx
01:52:21 Ann Charles: Susi, re MB. There are other implication which none of the MB Suppliers mention. 1) Vit C together with MB enhances efficacy and 2) If you have a G6DP deficiency you shouldn’t take it. How to connect. I am going to give it a go but right now I cant find the source to link to here
01:52:29 Bridget harper: thank you so much, wonderful
01:52:33 Marianne Rist: Thank you!
01:52:36 Para Florescu: thank you 🙂
01:52:36 Michelle Felix: thanks all!!
01:52:37 Nicola Graves-Gregory: Rilke – Sonnets to Orpheus “ Even when the farmer works and worries. This is not it. Earth gives.”
01:52:39 Suzanna E: Thank you so much ANH!
01:52:40 Gillie Guy: Lovely session! Thanks
01:52:42 felixhughes: Thank-you and best wishes to all